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MrPuzzles
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:05 am
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That reminds me of something I saw a weeks ago:
I'm slightly offended that Cooper was placed in the "could not solve" section, because let's be real, he could solve it faster than most to the left. But other than that, yeah, Columbo's the man.
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EugeneW
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:55 am
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Detective Sugishita in the long-running Aibou ("Partners") series is played by Yutaka Mizutani with the fashion sense of Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes and the personality of Peter Falk's Lieutenant Columbo, down to the "Just one more thing" catchphrase.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:01 pm
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MrPuzzles wrote: | I'm slightly offended that Cooper was placed in the "could not solve" section, because let's be real, he could solve it faster than most to the left. But other than that, yeah, Columbo's the man. |
Courage would totally bumble his way through the case with great success. I'm tickled that he got points for being able to intuit the Death Note's mechanics, at least
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FlamingFirewire
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:40 pm
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Quote: | It's often debated whether or not Columbo's disheveled, bumbling nature is an act or not. It runs in line with Japanese comedic acting, sure, but is it actually an act by the Lieutenant to disarm suspects so they feed him the information he needs? Or is he both brilliant and forgetful? |
This expanation perfectly encapsulates the genius of the Irresponsible Captain Tylor. Is he really an idiot, or is he just playing the fool to throw people offguard so that they underestimate his ability?
I wonder if Columbo was an influence for the author of that series too?
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Norbuck
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:46 pm
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I wonder how much influence other famous detectives have had? I would love an analysis on Agatha Christie's Poirot as I feel his character traits would be less idiosyncratic to a Japanese audience compared to us in the West.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:31 pm
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Damn whoever made that chart really didn’t like the fact that Dojima couldn’t solve the murder of who ran over his wife which to be fair isn’t his fault that the case had nothing to do with TV murders which he also couldn’t solve
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SailorMoonlight
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:24 pm
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I love Columbo. I could watch it as a kid, because it wasn’t too violent and it made me like detective stories. And it’s true that sometimes the thrill of a whodunnit is simply the best, the Columbo-style is still my favourite. He is charming, humble and tenacious, also hard-working and intelligent. A great character.
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Eigengrau
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:03 pm
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Strangely enough, when I think of a Japanese counterpart to Columbo, I don't think of a detective character, but of Irresponsible Captain Tylor.
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PumpkinMouse
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:54 pm
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Norbuck wrote: | I wonder how much influence other famous detectives have had? I would love an analysis on Agatha Christie's Poirot as I feel his character traits would be less idiosyncratic to a Japanese audience compared to us in the West. |
Throwing my hat into the ring for a prospective future article on other detectives!
MrPuzzles wrote: |
I'm slightly offended that Cooper was placed in the "could not solve" section, because let's be real, he could solve it faster than most to the left. But other than that, yeah, Columbo's the man. |
That chart is fantastic! I'm only slightly offended that Poirot is not David Suchet's version.
The article was a really neat read, by the way. I was a little aware of the honkaku genre and Sherlock's general popularity in Japan thanks to Rebecca Silverman's reviews of certain novels and manga, but the rest was all new to me.
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:38 pm
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PumpkinMouse wrote: |
That chart is fantastic! I'm only slightly offended that Poirot is not David Suchet's version. |
David Suchet is the only Poirot for me.
Quote: | The article was a really neat read, by the way. I was a little aware of the honkaku genre and Sherlock's general popularity in Japan thanks to Rebecca Silverman's reviews of certain novels and manga, but the rest was all new to me. |
It's definitely worth reading the Kosuke Kindaichi novels that have been translated into English. Pushkin Vertigo has four out (and out of order, which is annoying) - you can see why he's framed as a Japanese Columbo, and I sometimes even hear Peter Falk in my head when I'm reading his dialogue.
I didn't review it, but the sequel to The Decagon House Murders, The Mill House Murders was also recently(ish) released by Pushkin Vertigo, and it's a good example of the Honkaku genre with some clear Golden Age influences.
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minamikaze
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:11 pm
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EugeneW wrote: | Detective Sugishita in the long-running Aibou ("Partners") series is played by Yutaka Mizutani with the fashion sense of Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes and the personality of Peter Falk's Lieutenant Columbo, down to the "Just one more thing" catchphrase. |
I have to disagree. Except for the "one more thing" line, Sugishita isn't like Columbo at all. Aside from the obvious sartorial fastidiousness that you already mentioned, Sugishita definitely doesn't feign incompetence like Columbo does. Also, after finally cornering a culprit Columbo does not angrily lecture the culprit like Sugishita does. Columbo could never hope to pour tea that way either
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:20 pm
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I started watching Columbo around the same time I started getting into JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (I think I was partway through Part 2 when I stumbled onto a Columbo marathon on TV) so then when I got to Stardust Crusaders and Jotaro straight up tells Enya he saw through her act because he watched Columbo as a kid my mind was blown. My damn worlds were colliding.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:37 am
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Reminds me of the afterwords of Detective Conan where he lists many famous detectives both Japanese or otherwise. I remember the one where he talked about Columbo.
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varmintx
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:10 pm
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I haven't watched Columbo in like 30 years...I bet I could still quote any random episode word for word.
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ranran-001
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:11 pm
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"Just one more thing...."
Columbo's best episodes are the ones where he employs his best tactics to catch the killer. Using what is called Socratic irony, he prods the killer into giving out details that could very well be lies, and when he demonstrates to the killer that these are likely lies because of their illogical conclusions, he catches his killer.
I think my favorite all time episode is A Friend in Deed, for any that have never seen an episode of Columbo before, you can't go wrong with that as a first episode. Second, I think is Murder by the Book, which, was directed by some nobody named Steven Spielberg(/s).
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