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Gem-Bug
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 Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:24 pm
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What's the point of awarding these characters anything when the person playing them can just change faces at the drop of a hat? Henya was Pikamee like a year ago, right? I don't see any real issues with like, watching people play video games or do variety stuff, but dedicating an entire awards show to the rigs themselves seems out there.
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RenimLS
Joined: 26 Mar 2014
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:00 pm
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They're obviously awarding the person behind the avatar, so it's kind of silly to think they're awarding their avatar. Also vtubers only really change their name and start with a fresh appearance if they're leaving a company, as most companies own the name and appearance they were using. Even then though, with the departure of the person behind the character the company will normally retire the name and appearance. Henya for example might have previously been Amano Pikamee, but Pikamee's name and appearance belonged to VOMS Project. To leave VOMS project obviously meant she couldn't continue using the name and appearance, and so of course she'd have to start again with a new name and appearance.
For some the transition from one name to another will still have them retaining viewership numbers they had while working for their previous company, but for others, especially those going independent, without the company's support their viewership numbers may be significantly lower than what they originally drew.
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Panophobia
Joined: 17 Jan 2020
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:21 am
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| Gem-Bug wrote: | | What's the point of awarding these characters anything when the person playing them can just change faces at the drop of a hat? Henya was Pikamee like a year ago, right? I don't see any real issues with like, watching people play video games or do variety stuff, but dedicating an entire awards show to the rigs themselves seems out there. |
They are giving the award to the person behind the avatar, but they can't announce who they are (most likely they don't even know), because that would kill the point of them being vtubers.
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Wack Sage
Joined: 11 Nov 2023
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:13 am
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| Gem-Bug wrote: | | What's the point of awarding these characters anything when the person playing them can just change faces at the drop of a hat? Henya was Pikamee like a year ago, right? I don't see any real issues with like, watching people play video games or do variety stuff, but dedicating an entire awards show to the rigs themselves seems out there. |
Henya is not the same as Pikamee any more than Luke Skywalker is the same person as The Joker because Mark Hamill plays both of them. Different characters, personalities, different communities, different co-workers and presentation. Kson is completely different from Coco to the point I don't care for Kson much at all but I liked Coco back in the day. This is evident by the fact a lot of the time whenever people leave one company and join another they often have much different levels of popularity and fans compared to their past life. In some cases the new character is much more popular like in the case the Fuwamoco since joining a big company like Hololive will obviously boost you more than an indie or smaller company, or their new persona and dynamic is much more appealing than their previous one, but often times whenever someone goes from a big company to an indie or another company their fandom and appeal take a massive hit in numbers since it's essentially like trading the Mega Man franchise for Mighty No 9. See: Uruha Rushia during her Hololive days compared to her two current channels.
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maximilianjenus
Joined: 29 Apr 2013
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:28 am
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No ohtsuka ai?
Well, she will always be the winner in my heart
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2-2Distracted
Joined: 03 Feb 2021
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:37 am
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The TungstenRat stays winning!
Now it's time for her and Cdawgva to rub it in face  
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flamemasterelan
Joined: 17 Apr 2022
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:32 pm
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| Gem-Bug wrote: | | What's the point of awarding these characters anything when the person playing them can just change faces at the drop of a hat? Henya was Pikamee like a year ago, right? I don't see any real issues with like, watching people play video games or do variety stuff, but dedicating an entire awards show to the rigs themselves seems out there. |
Do you, uh...do you think Ironmouse was chosen because people like her rig? Do you think people are actually tuning in to her when she streams because they like her anime avatar, and not her personality, relationship with the chat, collaborions, etc.? A cute avatar will get some people to tune in, but a VTuber needs to be likeable and charismatic beyond that, or else nobody will bother watching.
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ChromeEagle
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:56 pm
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| Wack Sage wrote: |
| Gem-Bug wrote: | | What's the point of awarding these characters anything when the person playing them can just change faces at the drop of a hat? Henya was Pikamee like a year ago, right? I don't see any real issues with like, watching people play video games or do variety stuff, but dedicating an entire awards show to the rigs themselves seems out there. |
Henya is not the same as Pikamee any more than Luke Skywalker is the same person as The Joker because Mark Hamill plays both of them. Different characters, personalities, different communities, different co-workers and presentation. Kson is completely different from Coco to the point I don't care for Kson much at all but I liked Coco back in the day. |
You're missing the point. Henya was awarded Rising Star VTuber. If the Academy handed Mark Hamill a Rising Actor award for his performance in Batman in 1992, that'd be a little odd, wouldn't it? He debuted years prior and already earned his recognition.
The same could be said for Pikamee, who exceed half a million subscribers over two years ago. Shouldn't "Rising Star" refer to someone who's actually new to the VTuber scene? 
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flamemasterelan
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:31 pm
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| ChromeEagle wrote: | You're missing the point. Henya was awarded Rising Star VTuber. If the Academy handed Mark Hamill a Rising Actor award for his performance in Batman in 1992, that'd be a little odd, wouldn't it? He debuted years prior and already earned his recognition.
The same could be said for Pikamee, who exceed half a million subscribers over two years ago. Shouldn't "Rising Star" refer to someone who's actually new to the VTuber scene? |
You could make that argument, but the category for Rising Star states that the winner "has shown astounding growth throughout the year and demonstrates great potential for the future". It has nothing to do with whether they're new, or debuting. A person could have been streaming since 2006 and gotten a spike in growth during 2023 and won the award.
Did Henya have an unfair advantage? Sure. But popularity contests are literally never fair.
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light turner
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:11 am
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| ChromeEagle wrote: | You're missing the point. Henya was awarded Rising Star VTuber. If the Academy handed Mark Hamill a Rising Actor award for his performance in Batman in 1992, that'd be a little odd, wouldn't it? He debuted years prior and already earned his recognition.
The same could be said for Pikamee, who exceed half a million subscribers over two years ago. Shouldn't "Rising Star" refer to someone who's actually new to the VTuber scene? |
I've never watched either Henya or Pikamee so I can't comment on how different they are from one another but it's just a random internet award show at the end of the day. It's probably not worth putting so much thought or analysis into these kinds of things any more than The Game Awards deciding what constitutes an "Indie" or "Continuing" game. The awards seem to focus primarily on the English-speaking side of Vtubers, specifically those on the platform of Twitch outside the Hololive talent so it's probably a big part of the choices and categories. I don't really watch Twitch myself so I'm not familiar with half these individuals.
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ChromeEagle
Joined: 29 Mar 2015
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:40 pm
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| flamemasterelan wrote: |
| ChromeEagle wrote: | You're missing the point. Henya was awarded Rising Star VTuber. If the Academy handed Mark Hamill a Rising Actor award for his performance in Batman in 1992, that'd be a little odd, wouldn't it? He debuted years prior and already earned his recognition.
The same could be said for Pikamee, who exceed half a million subscribers over two years ago. Shouldn't "Rising Star" refer to someone who's actually new to the VTuber scene? |
You could make that argument, but the category for Rising Star states that the winner "has shown astounding growth throughout the year and demonstrates great potential for the future". It has nothing to do with whether they're new, or debuting. A person could have been streaming since 2006 and gotten a spike in growth during 2023 and won the award.
Did Henya have an unfair advantage? Sure. But popularity contests are literally never fair. |
I thought about that after writing my post. Figured it might be interpreted that way. What I meant by "new" was "new to celebrity in regards to VTubing". Of course someone who's been on the struggle bus for a decade and suddenly exploded with popularity should be eligible. That's why I was careful to mention her previous avatar's distinguished sub count.
Henya deserved some sort of award for being awesome; I just think that particular category would've been more fit for someone who recently "took off", so to speak. Oh well.
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flamemasterelan
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:06 pm
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| ChromeEagle wrote: | | I thought about that after writing my post. Figured it might be interpreted that way. What I meant by "new" was "new to celebrity in regards to VTubing". Of course someone who's been on the struggle bus for a decade and suddenly exploded with popularity should be eligible. That's why I was careful to mention her previous avatar's distinguished sub count.
Henya deserved some sort of award for being awesome; I just think that particular category would've been more fit for someone who recently "took off", so to speak. Oh well. |
I mean, I'm fine with arguing over whether Henya should have qualified for the award. I can see people being upset because she already had so many subs, but I also think it's a risk to create a new account hoping that your subs will follow you to it, so it's definitely impressive that she rebuilt in such a short time. (I don't really follow many VTubers, so I don't know if she was able to direct people to her new channel. I know it's taboo to name alts or "reincarnations" after a VTuber graduates by what's happening with VReverie right now).
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